We're in for a treat. Sasha Abramsky joins us to talk about the aftermath of DOGE — what it cost real lives, and what it cost our democracy.

His new book, American Carnage, follows eleven federal workers across eight agencies, from the moment they were fired in the opening weeks of Trump's second term through the summer of 2025. It's the first full account of how Musk's DOGE cuts didn't just gut agencies — they bullied, intimidated, and financially devastated hundreds of thousands of people, while curtailing the government services millions of Americans rely on.

Their stories are America's story. Come hear it firsthand.